Chronicles on lostmagic

History of the Buff Glitch (by Gus)
The buff glitch is in my opinion the most controversial technique in LostMagic while all those people who thought rushing was cheap disappeared within a few months of the game's release. There is still a divide in the community of whether anything that the developers didnt intend is cheating, or if people should play to win at all costs. Its long history has became forgotten by the public:

A little timeline of the teams.

2 hounds and whatever 3 UP or 2 UP you want most common was 2 hounds of opposing elements and a runefeed a few of the variants are:

mine: shine hound, dark hound, runemander used it from discovery to partly through a player named King of LM

gravaga was the guy i got the shine hound dark hound from and he was a big influence to me with his strategy of double speed buffing and rushing even though his strategy is considered noobish now and became common he used a shine hound dark hound scout orkus team

mara: 2 earth hounds and runefeed

f1ip: i think flare hound and hydro hound and definitely runedine

spider: flare hound and hydro hound and runemander

then came mara abusing swamp abyss and the jetvern com-bat runefeed team because it was considered dishonorable to steal someones team i used the divider runefeed silfeed team for short while before i realized his was probably the best all flyer team and switched to it which got him to make a thread on gf about me stealing his team

then came the 2 flyer rule mara says he made and the divider gnome runefeed and the jetvern rune gnome runefeed teams and then dbs team and finally even thought it kind of was always around the wyvern shine hound runefeed team became popular

discovery this is easily the area i know the least about i had always thought it was discovered by a japanese player and mara was the first guy in the us found out it out from him based on a post at ns which i thought i remembered but mara now says that he found out in story mode against an enemy mage with the debuff then posted it at gamefaqs because he felt like quitting and didnt see anybody using it until they came back somehow after that posting the public agreed never to say again how to use and to not use it on wifi by the time i started wifi the glitch had made its way to japan im not sure how whether it was by that posting on gf or they found out through other means but the players there knew a lot more than the players in the us they really knew the best routine and how to get it to work on gsd

obscurity as i stated the players in japan knew much more about the glitch than the players in the us did not only that but it was definitely more common the first players i saw used the glitch and the only ones until i started using it in every match were 2 japanese players the first one was a 3000 he was using a 2x shine hound runefeed team it was a bit look into the future of what i would be doing later he had down the best buff glitch routine to use against an american player unfamiliar with it and it seemed like a bit of a look in the future for what id soon be doing too i dont really remember as good as i did in late 2007 so heres something i typed before

That was back when the buff glitch got leaked. Back then knowing the buff glitch was like being in a special club. There were only a few people who were able to stay up late enough to play a mysterious Japanese 3000 with his abilities to make stat buffs permanent.

I still remember the stat boosting routine.

Light2+Water3 2 times on his mage then walk around while his mana recharges then Light1+Dark3. Then he gathers up his monsters berserks them with Fire3+Fire2+Fire1, then does Light2+Water2, then Light2+Light2 then Light1+Dark3.

And while that was going on I did nothing.

I remember when I first played him. My monsters swarmed him and died real fast to his uber buffed monsters. I couldn't touch him except for maybe a hit from my Runemanders. I fought him a few times and despite thinking that at first he was getting rid of buffs to have a fair fight I realized that was stupid. So I first tried out Light3x2 and it didn't work like he did it. I then tried out Light1+Dark1 and it also didn't work. Then I looked at Loup's spell list and discovered Light1+Dark3. Started using it on Wi-Fi. Owning everyone. But then I fought Mara and he knew it to. I fought the Japanese player again and couldn't replicate his effect of me not being able to touch him. So I had a fight with Spider. He caught on and also showed me that buffs could work multiple times. So I tried out Light2+Water3 twice and it worked. I felt like the king of LM to be able to figure out a way to make myself invincible to melee monsters. Not even Mara knew how to do it.

briefly when i realized my he wasnt getting rid of the buffs to have a fair fight i thought he may have been hacking but then that experimenting came the second user i think was either just after i found out about the evade buff trick or just before it was against another japanese 3000 using the same or similar team but he was different i found out how to counter it and stuff and i would beaten him in some good matches if it werent for him dcing the one thing that stuck that made the whole thing memorable was on goldsand dunes when he used a different team that involved mud golems i may have remembered wrong but im pretty sure he actually got the glitch to work on him ive done a lot of experimenting since then and i havent replicated it

the king of lm as i said that first fight with the japanese guy was a bit of a look into the future for me i found out about this glitch little by little from him every time id play him after that id pay attention to what hed do and try out different things im not sure about it since that thing says differently but i think i started out with level 1 buffs on my mage and light3x2 and maybe then light1+dark1 or i may have found out about light1+dark1 later but it was a slow process even when i found out about purge curse i still learned from the japanese player

i think my orginal thing was just buffing isaac with level 1 buffs then light3x2 or maybe light1+dark1 then with purge curse buffing monsters and then id buff isaac with level 2 buffs i was still playing the japanese guy and learning off of him like the fact that i can just berserk the monsters rather than buffing attack and i doubt i would have looked into testing the evade trick if not for him eventually i finally got really lucky and beat him cant remember how much i knew about the buff glitch when i beat him though

spider later found out from me and showed me that you can use the same buff twice and it stacks because before i thought they only worked once putting to use the knowledge spider gave me i found out about the evade trick and as i stated playing the japanese player i learned it from was a look in the future for me i found myself put into his role with using it every match id sometimes use his full combo but id usually just use the evade trick i loved to just stick my mage in front of their monsters and kill their mage i found out soon from doing that it doesnt work on ranged monsters so i stopped but it was still an awesome thing to have as an easy counter to rushes eventually i started getting threads thinking i was a hacker and the best part was nobody knew it

the glitch war once again i was in the japanese guys shoes people caught on f1ip told me he learned it from me in our first fight and he says he had a hand in making it popular the same spider who helped me find out the evade trick apparently told his friends they began thinking of themselves as masters and that were using a secret only the masters knew and for a while everything was fine but then tranzice came he had previously asked on gf how to do it and they wouldnt tell him because of the ban they put on it so he tried out ns where he was met by lum who was one of the people at gf who blew him off when he asked about the buff glitch and he did the same at ns he was also met by omega i actually have the thread archived

"What is the "buffup" glitch and how do people use it"

Trance: See topic

Lum: You don't need to know.

Omega: never heard of it :|

Omega: thats right anybody who knows dont tell cuz then its gonna be like the dance spells and over used

Lum: It's where buffs will last an extremely long time.

Omega: I know it you use _______ then another _____________ then _____________ and they stay there forever tat how i can go against poel only using myself but remember

If you post t I will pwn you&gt;:(

NOTE: In between here and Scotty, there was a small conversation that took place which was deleted. Trance said he knew what was in those blanks because he fought a noob who used it that he owned and that his name was Gus. Lum then said something along the lines of "Aren't you the guy from GameFaqs with the nublert clan idea" Trance said yeah and that there were 32 members in the Blaze God clan. Lum said something like "Really? At Gamefaqs there were only 2 members and nobody wanted to join because you were jerk. How did you find 30 people without a brain overnight?" Scotty then said "Quality of quantity n00b :|" Then Omega posted a bunch of "PWN'd" and "You fail" pics

Scotty: I'm agianst the glitch personally.

Spider: i'll take this like a man and respect your decision

Scotty: I mean, if I see someone doing it while facing me, I d/c.

Robot: :(:(:( I thought this was the only game with no glitches!! I don't know what the buffup glitch is, but I'm completely against it, and I hope nobody uses it online.

Spider: that's a little too far don't you think?

Scotty: No, actually I think it's fair. If they want to glitch, I will glitch that way.

Spider: ok.

after his little conversation with lum omega made another thread

"If anyone asks you about the permanent stat boost and you know"

Omega: Dont tell them.

It is a secret that only masters know so if you wanna be known as a a master don't tell other people

Lum: It's a glitch that only glitch abusers know, you mean.

Omega: not glitch abusers. I know and i dont glitch in MPH but thats partly cuz i suck anyway

THELEGENDOFNAVI: Well personally I dont think anybody should no.

Trance: Ten bucks says i have PWNed you more than once in MPH omega

and yes.. If you need glitches to win

YOU SUCK AND YOU DONT DESERVE TO BE CALLED A MASTER

IF YOU CANT WIN WITHOUT A GLITCH YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A NOOB

Omega: Why, it makes the good better and leaves people that cant catch up in the dust:\ its like natural selection oonly the best survive

THELEGENDOFNAVI: True veeerrrrrryyy true.

Omega: I know i suck in MPH and thats whyI dont play and the glitch is just an added bonus to being already pwnsome in teh game and already having a 3000 for 2 weeks before i even learned about it&gt;:9 so i may lose really badly in MPH but i can pwn anyone in LM

Omega: No, not true, tis is true.

If you can't win with a glicth you are a n00b like Gus

Trance: Shouldnt Glitch users be in some special school or something?

Omega: \

Yes for excelled students who are ahead of the rest of the gamoing world and need more challenges

Trance: YEAH! you guys are special alright

SPECIAL ED.

Omega: Whatever i hvae been involved in 3 flaming matches not including this one ove the past 2 days and in fear of getting banned, i a being te one to say stop, so what thats just how i play, and that how some others do it top, but call me a n00b now but when you get owned on wifi regardless of the glitch you will know that it is not me being a n00b but you, the loser

Trance: yeah but we will all LAUGH AT YOU WHEN YOU LOSE DESPITE YOUR PITIFUL ATTEMPTS AT WINNING THROUGH A GLITCH!

Then we can call you a whiner.

Omega: to bad i dont lose anyway except to players like flipmonkey and metaslime BTW what is your name on wifi?

LONGCAT: .... This is really lame, Omega. I thought you were a fair player. I suppose I guessed wrong.

Omega: well if you dont think i play fair theni guess you dont want my strategies to do anything *poof* there goes posting the guide you n00bs

tranzice also made his own thread

"MASTERS? HA! I think not"

Trance: It is a sad thing when our so called "masters" are only a bunch of whiners who use glitches to fight then gloat about how they are so great. A TRUE MASTER SHOULD BE ABLE TO WIN UNDER ANY CONDITION AND ENCOURAGE THE INEXPERIENCED. YOU ALWAYS HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT YOU TOO WERE ONCE INEXPERIENCED. SO GO AHEAD AND CALL YOURSELVES "MASTERS". BUT TO EVERYONE ELSE, YOU ARE CALLED NOOBS.

Omega: I do call myself a master and I can win without using teh glitch and more than half the time I do, and whenever i face a n00b, I never just rush tema nd be like ha noob, I always kill off my monsters and then go head on with them withuot the glitch to test myself and then when all their monsters have fallen, I let them kill me to get the largest amount of exp possible, but call me a n00b again if you want but i use teh rank glitch so that I can help people and still be recognized as a playing 3000

Trance: ANOTHER GLITCH?!?!?!?!

Jeez you guys really cant play very good can you?

Omega: I ONLY use it when i give new players a chance to get better like I said in my above post

Scotty: I don't call myself a master, I call myself an apprentice. I don't use any glitch...

Omega: yes I know you dont but I can still beat people without it

Scotty: so... what was the point in telling me something I already knew? Just ditch this noob and put him on your ignore lsit and move on

Omega: already haveI was just making sure he wasnt cooming back

Trance: Guess what genius

IM BACK

Scotty: Your lame and your "army" sucks.

LOSTKIRBY: I call myself the normal person rising to become the new creator lol

no really I just fight nothing special really

Scotty: Every Creator calls, just ask the Diva... lol

Scotty: Every Creator falls, just ask the Diva... lol

Edit

LOSTKIRBY: well actually I could be the creator I mean every sage is under my control.....kinda

BLAZEDDI: True that man, I think that everything that you said holds true and it doesn't matter what game it is either. No matter what you were once a "noob" also when you first got the game. In fact I remember the first time that I got on wifi like it was yesterday and right off the bat I got out there and it was very early on before I even had duo runes, and one spell, yeah ONE killed me. It just made me try a lot harder and then now I look at what I have accomplished. It just really motivated me and made me try THAT much harder to get to where I am now.

Lum: No, not everyone is a "noob".

Noob, n00b, etc.: One who is obnoxious and/or rude. This term does not necessarily mean the person is a new player.

Newb: One who is a new player to the game.

tranzice then found out from me i think even though i never saw him using it and posted about it

"To you so called "masters" here is the buffup glitch"

Trance: Buff Glitch:

To do it, you must buff up your monsters. (light 2 + any element 2! Don't do triple light because it won't work that way.) After you buffed them, use light 1 + dark 3. That spell is suppose to get rid of all good or bad magic but the truth is, it doesn't affect buff up spells. All it does is get rid of the icon that shows what your monsters are buffed up in, not the buff up itself. By doing this, your monsters buff up will last WAAAAAAAAAAY longer than it did if you didn't use the glitch.

I bet that is hard to understand so I will give an example.

I use light 2 + fire 2 to buff up my monters offense so they will tear through the enemy. Then I use light 2 + light 2 so my monsters will have some defense against the opponents magic attacks. So finally, I use light 1 + dark 3 to make the buff up last longer.

Trance: All it takes is about 30 minutes of experimenting and any idiot can figure it out. it doesnt make you a master and it takes a bigger man/(if there are any ladies out there)woman to know them yet not use them. so here is to all of you.

HIDDENPLUMBERBRO: You dont have to flame about it. I think any help is good.

Scotty: this is dumb, it would have been better if you kept you just kept your mouth shut. Thanks for letting all of the noobs know... you just made wifi worst.

LOSTKIRBY: yeah I mean its less fun with wi-fi lagg but glitching makes it much worse

LONGCAT: Too bad Omega was the first to open up his mouth about the whole glitch and bragged about it.

BLAZEDDI: Yes, I too knew about this glitch, but I don't really use it, I have used it once or twice, but normally I don't take that kind of time and if someone else is doing it then I just go to the attack first while they are still doing the buff thing and I get the jump on them. The only bad thing I have to say about you telling everyone this glitch is that more people will now know about it and that means that more people will start to use the glitch instead of just a few who knew about it using it.

Lum: Tran, you were a jerk on GameFAQs, and you add onto that by spreading abuseable glitches around?

Shameful.

Omega: If you hated it so much and hated peopel using it, Then why did you just tel everyone in the world how to do it n00b

DARKARCHER736: Omega is right. I mean, if someone found the glitch on their own, don't spread it, although I did bookmark this board for when I get the game today! Oh!

G0D1: i didnt even know about it but im not even gonna use it cuz i dont need any tricks to win in wi-fi

Omega: If you play against Gus or me or Mara you will have wished you knew them cuz i can pwn with or without it

G0D1: yea i know that but im just saying i wont use tricks if i ever face any of you i want to win with just pure magic

THEONLYMASTER: TRANZISE: I applaude your posting and think you should not get flamed!

Robot: So that's what Omega was doing in our battle........ I thought he was getting rid of the buffups so we could have a fair match, but apparently, I was wrong.

Scotty: Exactly, your still agianst it right? This has done it. I'm protesting it.

Robot: Yes, I am. Omega should have kept this to himself.

Scotty: Spider taught it. Actually I know the origin to all of this.

Robot: Hmmmmmm. Then he should've kept it between us, not made it public. I'm guessing this is the reason we had to remove our tags isn't it?

Spider: not really and i only taught the glitch for my own reasons.

Spider: and i was not the to reveal it here

Trance: ITS OVER

_______

"My thoughts on the glitch."

THEONLYMASTER: First of all I would like to state that I do not know the glitch.The people that are dislikeing Tranzice for spreading it around,don't disaprove of his efforts because he/she was just informing people of a new discovery.Some people think if people know it they will use it,YOU ARE WRONG.Take MPH for example:there are alot of glitches in it but most do not use them.There for stop flaming him/her,he/her did not make the glitch just found it.

Omega: ummm no he didnt, he hates the glitch and is being a hypocrite and spreading it aound. Me and a lot of other peopel like Gus have known it for a while now:|

THEONLYMASTER: Others may want to know,he was the first that I know of to post it.I appleude his efforts!

Trance: Thank you Master

HE appreciates it

And second, It wasnt only a new discovery to the common peoples, but it was also proof that you didnt have to be a MASTER to know this stuff, And also it was a way of showing that just because people KNEW it doesnt mean they USE it.

Spider: I've myself found out about this glitch by seeing the way GUS dueled.This glitch is a main part of my strategy and if there's anyone out there that says that a glitch like this is cheating I would have to say the you're wrong.The glitch is there for a reason to be discovered and be used!It is not considered cheating,how can it be cheating? Its not like its impossible to do.If you want something to call cheating then talk about the rushers.

SAMI.33: It is cheating. The glitch isn't there for a reason, hence being a glitch--something that's there for a reason would have been planned, intentionally programmed, whereas glitches are unintentional and were never intended to exist.

Let's look at an analogy. You sit down in school to take a test. You're not one to write answers on your arms or leave papers out in plain sight yourself. Yet you notice a study sheet under the person's chair in front of you sitting in plain view. The person may or may not have done that on purpose, but there it is, clear in your line of vision. If you look at it again while you take the test and get answers from it, is that not cheating just because it was something left behind, a remnant there "to be discovered and be used"? No. It's cheating. You'd get a big fat F if not more reprecussions if you were discovered.

This isn't a matter of utilizing your resources, it's a matter of doing the right thing and playing fair. You using a glitch to get an advantage is like using that study sheet--you're bettering your own results while others do not have the same means of doing so. I could almost make the analogy to using steroids in sports. It's there to be used, but does that mean you should use it? Any sort of unfair disadvantage is cheating, it's as simple as that.

Spider: you may call it cheating but i won't. besides even without the glitch i could still win

Dib: Its already been confirmed that this glitch is not even a big deal. A few basic and simple spells can stop it. Come on guys/girls. Don't you think that maybe your blowing this a little out of proportion, I mean the spell dosn't make the monsters invintible.

Spider: i agree with you Shade its not like a well placed dark3x3 cannot stop the buffed monsters.i mean come on people!

DIGITAL_MASTERMIND: Not trying to start anything, but if you can win without using it, why use it?:P

Spider: to make battles easier than they are

Scotty: Well, when you rely on a glitch too long, and they take it ou of the game via wifi, your gonna suck.

Spider: not really and you know it too you have seen me pwn without the glitch.

LONGCAT: This board's making me really disappointed now. I thought all the people who were actually good in the game had some real skill and didn't cheat in any kind of way. But now they're bragging about using glitches and saying that's what they use just to make the fights easier.

Glitches are never purposely put into a game. They are called glitches because they were put there on mistake. A goof up in the programming. Sometimes they benifit the player, sometimes they just cause you to die or even crash the game or corrupt a save file. Trust me, I've been in my fair share of glitches and most of the time they cause some kind of akward screen change or death. They're never meant to help the player because they were never meant to be in there in the first place.

Abusing them to aid yourself is pretty much cheating without a mod, you're using the game's own programming to cheat at what was originally set to be how the game was to be played. No matter how much you say it's not a form of cheating, you're only in denial from the truth.

I can't even trust anyone who has a 3000 rank in here anymore who says they constantly win regardless of what they do and then repeatedly brag about how they can win if they use the glitch or not. Those aren't true masters of the game, they're just abusing the game's programming for cheap tatics.

This is going to be the last time I hang around in this board trying to help what I think are fair players who only wanted to help people play in a fair game. Not tip the balance for their own favor by cheating through glitches.

SAMI.33: Thank you so much for that. m(_ _)m

Dib: If it makes you feel any better, I don't use the glitch. I'm almost at 3000 as well with a rank of 2950.

Loup: Yes, I do not do the glitch either. I just think it is a waste of my mana, since I could be using it to stop the rushers. I do not rely on my monsters that much and do not really care of they die lol! If they do die I do not D/C and hope that the other person I am playing is up for a spell duel instead of getting their monsters to attack me.

I do not use the glitch and I am at 25**. I am not on very much lol! But really to me people who are talking about the glitch being cheating and are rushers themselves do not have much room to talk.

But really I am not trying to get anyone mad, and I just hope that everyone can stop flamming and just deal with the way other people play the game. When I face a D/Cer I do not get angry and post spam all over the board. So I am just trying to make my point and not start an argument. Now can we all stop the flaming??


 * wraps self in a Flame Retardent blanket*

Lum: How is rushing cheating, exactly?

Swamp spells, WOAHMGPWNED.

What, they're flying? CLIP WINGS FROM ACROSS THE MAP WOAHMGPWNED.

Oh, flying wind elements? Send your monsters out to attack them! WOAHMGPWNED.

Loup: I did not say rushers are cheaters per se.....what I meant is that I just really do not like that strategy since almost everyone I play on Wi-Fi uses it.

this was a big landmark in lm history because nsider archived their posts so no matter how much the people wanted to surpress it and banned posting it the fact was the glitch was out there and there was nothing they could do about it

banning and ns run after the glitch wars people many people stopped using it in a month i was the only decent player on wifi who still used it there were some other players like mara who used it on me but it was only on me they still believed it was cheating and mara compared it to both players using akuma in street fighter people soon figured out that i cant do it on goldsand dunes so whenever i got a player who heard of the legend all these people had made about they went to goldsand dunes even mara did it i hated the map though so id pick balance temple eventually mara dced on me when i glitched i figured that if my best opponent was dcing on me for it there was no point in continuing to glitch so i stopped later on mara told me i was playing an impersonater

i registered on ns on 7-25-06 a few days before i played the impersonater one of my first posts was a detailed look at my routine for glitching every time id see someone refuse to tell somebody the glitch id post it to spite them after playing the impersonater i began putting down people who used the glitching and helped manage a list of glitchers and dcers eventually a guy from mlg who was also pro at metroid prime hunters came named jasonmlg he made a very logical argument on why its fair saying that glitching when your opponent doesnt know it is like using a really good trio rune spell your opponent doesnt know about and also that we may not even know its a glitch bringing up wavedashing in smash bros melee where it turned out the devs knew about it but chose to keep it in and i forgot his argument for even if it was a glitch but it might have been that they know nothing about playing to win in competetive games then and he later said he thinks it would improve the game and ended the post with the board being filled with bad kids who when they lose rather than looking inward and thinking what am i doing wrong they think outward and think how could they cheat me out of my wins and to not listen to the bad kids and to play how we want those were words of wisdom but i let those scrubs and noobs at ns get to me and responded with a pretty weak argument with subtle jabs at him thrown in he made another great post in the form of a counter to it and i responded basically saying the same thing and this went on for a day or 2 until he got tired of it and left and thats something im not proud of to say the least

further discoveries glitch3d had a thread called tips for beginners as my first post in it i posted that detailed look at the best buff glitch routine and kept it updated with everything else i found out about it

if i didnt know about the light1+dark1 spell working on level 1 buffs i found out about it near when i stopped using it

i was playing a guy named aora not sure how but i think i was just debuffing his monsters and purge curse to test it out but i found out when i played him that it works with debuffs

for a long time i was wondering if it could work with high bless if you timed it right naeg told me a player named rob tried it and got it to work but i never could and i suspect that it doesnt work because the icons dont disappear when you use purge curse however the icons did disappear on swamp abyss and i think f1ip got it to work by accident when i cast bubble on him in a spell duel

most recently in 2007 dont remember when in 2007 jk345 pmed me that it works in gsd didnt tell me conditions other than it being in single player i thought that maybe single player had something to do with it but i tried it and it didnt work so there must have been something different i later found out that it worked with flying monsters only on that map

unbanning in gf cant remember exactly when but it was probably in 2007 or later in 2006 dragon blast had a thread where he asked for people to duel him i wanted to show that i had a gf account and make an impact there in process so beating a pro there would be the perfect opportunity so i posted my fc and we played

neverdietwo (1:43:20 AM): i didnt own him it was on gsd he was using his team while i was using my outdated divider team we both went to the center and we sent in our monsters for a high bless match his were winning and while that was happening i snuck around the edges and got him with ice king he tried to make a wall but in probably my luckiest moment ever it didnt appear at all and i won

people didnt believe i was gus at first but i talked about some of my fights with them and they believed i posted the buff glitch to prove to them there was no ban on buff glitching and that mythical ban they put on buff glitching had its fate sealed when db included instructions on how to do it in his wifi dueling guide

in mid or late 2007 i changed how i thought about the glitch i thought about what the mlg guy said and it really made perfect sense i was just being close minded i came back to gf lm board and got into an argument with bma where i posted this article which was posted many times in other places and changed many peoples minds in regards to what was cheap in other games

http://www.sirlin.net/archive/playing-to-win-part-1/

and it finally convinced him it wasnt bad he didnt begin using it but he stopped looking down on glitchers and soon many other players became convinced it was fair but it was too late in the life of the game though for us to really see how the game would play if buff glitching was unbanned but from my fights with mara it was basically whoever debuffs the mage first wins

neverdietwo (6:36:05 PM): so how do you think the buff up glitch would have been if it was never banned

neverdietwo (6:36:14 PM): i mean how useful

bigmara98 (6:36:44 PM): high bless would have been a rare occasion

bigmara98 (6:37:24 PM): evil bless would replace terror and pacify

bigmara98 (6:37:45 PM): they will still be used but just not as we used to use em

neverdietwo (6:38:12 PM): well what about dbs team

bigmara98 (6:38:26 PM): i dunno

bigmara98 (6:38:44 PM): i thought his team would slightly be more useful but thats just me

bigmara98 (6:39:00 PM): what team you think would have been good?

neverdietwo (6:39:49 PM): i think his considering that it made the evade trick useless

bigmara98 (6:40:14 PM): yea thats what i thought

bigmara98 (6:40:28 PM): plus, his was much better in one vs one against shine hound and wyvern

Ending the ban on the buff glitch is what stops me from thinking about LM as a serious competetive game. Even though the pros abused overpowered spells (there were the blesses, pure terror, swamp abyss, etc.) here was this one little glitch with a solid counter everybody stopped using for some reason. This is what happens when the pros let the scrubs and the noobs who don't stay too long before moving on and telling them what to do.